Pierre Lassonde says the $40 trillion U.S. debt crisis is paving the way for gold to reach $17,250 an ounce

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(Kitco News) - The global financial architecture is undergoing a structural transformation that positions gold to reach $17,250 an ounce as it replaces the U.S. dollar as the "currency of last reserve," according to mining legend Pierre Lassonde.

In an interview with Kitco News, the co-founder of Franco-Nevada and former president of Newmont Mining detailed a macroeconomic framework mirroring the stagflationary era of the 1970s, but warned that today’s extreme leverage makes the current cycle far more volatile.

The 1970s Parallel and the $40 Trillion Debt Wall

Lassonde pointed to the late 1970s, where gold saw a tenfold increase as inflation and interest rates climbed simultaneously. However, he noted a critical distinction in the current landscape: the sheer volume of U.S. sovereign debt.

"The total debt in 1981, when Reagan was first elected, was $1 trillion," Lassonde said. "Today, that’s the amount of money that the U.S. has to pay in interest every year because the total debt is approaching now $40 trillion."

Current figures align closely with Lassonde's assessment. As of early May 2026, the U.S. total gross national debt sits near $39 trillion. The burden of this leverage is compounded by higher borrowing costs, with net interest projected by the Congressional Budget Office to account for nearly 14% of all federal outlays in the current fiscal year.

With the U.S. budget deficit projected to exceed 7.9% of GDP, Lassonde argued the Federal Reserve is effectively "monetizing the debt and printing dollars," providing a permanent tailwind for bullion.

"I reiterate that my $17,250 gold price is as solid as can be," Lassonde stated. "I'm convinced we will see this in the next... three years."

Gold as the 'Currency of Last Reserve'

A fundamental shift in how the world settles trade is driving the move away from the greenback. Lassonde noted that China has successfully created a parallel payment infrastructure to bypass U.S. economic sanctions, a system he stated is growing by "50, 100%... every six months." "Gold, 90% of the time is a commodity, but 10% of the time it’s the currency of last resort," Lassonde explained. "When the dollar doesn’t perform its role as currency of last resort, guess what? Gold takes its place, and that’s what’s happening right now."

According to Lassonde, central banks have become the dominant force in the market, diversifying out of the dollar and increasing their gold weightings from less than 10% to over 20% of total reserves.

Recent data confirms this steady accumulation. The People's Bank of China reported its official gold reserves reached 74.64 million troy ounces at the end of April 2026, marking an 18th consecutive month of declared gold purchases. Despite this sustained buying streak, gold still accounts for less than 10% of China's total foreign exchange reserves, leaving significant room for further accumulation.

Lassonde further noted that price discovery is migrating to the Shanghai Gold Exchange, where high retail demand and "casino-type" volatility are beginning to dictate the physical price.

Mining Equities: A 5x Margin Expansion

Despite record prices in gold and silver, Lassonde argued that mining equities remain drastically undervalued because the broader market has not yet recognized the sector's unprecedented operating leverage.

"Most of the miners today... have total cost-in of $1,500, $1,600," Lassonde noted. Recent industry data confirms this trend, showing that average all-in sustaining costs (AISC) have climbed to roughly $1,450 per ounce. However, against current spot prices, this still leaves miners with historic profitability.

"Well, on $4,600, that's $3,000 an ounce margin," Lassonde said. "Think, like gold goes to 17,000, the margins are going to expand by a factor of five. None of that is in the stock price. None of it." Even if gold only reaches $7,000, he pointed out that operating margins would still more than double.

Lassonde praised the current generation of mining CEOs for maintaining "incredibly disciplined" capital allocation. Rather than chasing growth at all costs or making overpriced acquisitions - which he noted was the "bane of all gold stocks" in past cycles - companies are now focusing on self-funded internal growth, paying dividends, and returning capital.

"This is the first time ever that I've seen buybacks in the gold space," Lassonde said, reflecting on his 50-year career.

This new era of discipline is already playing out in the broader market. Major producers have recently reported stronger-than-expected earnings and authorized massive share buyback programs driven by higher production and stabilized costs. However, Lassonde remains skeptical of certain restructuring plans across the majors, specifically Barrick Gold's push toward a North American gold IPO.

"I don't quite understand what Barrick is doing," he admitted, noting that floating 20% of an already-owned asset rarely benefits existing shareholders and often creates market orphans. Ultimately, Lassonde's baseline for operators in the current environment remains remarkably strict. "If you're not making money at $4,600 gold and you're not returning money to your shareholders, you should not be in this business, okay? Like, get outta here," Lassonde stated.

The 'Derelict' State of Canadian Pensions

Lassonde reserved his sharpest criticism for Canadian institutional investors, calling out a systemic lack of domestic investment. He claimed that major pension funds are "derelict in their function" by allocating only a tiny fraction of their capital to Canadian markets. "I find egregious the fact that the Canada Pension Plan has 2% of its money invested in Canadian equities... of which practically none is in the mining sector," Lassonde said, calling it an "indictment" of fund managers.

The structural shift away from domestic markets is a well-documented trend. While the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) has grown its total assets to record highs, only a small fraction is invested within Canada, compared to massive allocations in the United States and global markets. This dynamic extends across Canada's largest pension funds, which collectively hold roughly $1 trillion in U.S. assets.

Despite mounting pressure to increase domestic investment, large funds frequently defend their allocations by pointing to robust foreign returns. Lassonde, however, rejects the notion that global diversification is the only path to yield, pointing out that domestic-focused funds perform comparably.

"If you look at the pension funds that are run totally in Canada, their return is no different than the Maple Eight," Lassonde argued. "They seem to... imply that only by doing this diversification... or by being, like, 98% outside of Canada that they can produce the kind of return that they have."

He strongly urged the federal government to implement tax incentives, such as Australia's franked dividend system, to actively encourage domestic equity investment and revitalize the resource sector.

Looking ahead, Lassonde emphasized that the current bull market is far more than a simple price spike.

"It's already a full mining cycle," Lassonde concluded. "When I see people still on the sideline in the gold market, I’m like, 'What are you waiting for?'"

Watch the full interview with Pierre Lassonde to hear his complete analysis of the gold market, the U.S. debt crisis, and his top strategies for finding value in mining equities.   

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Jeremy Szafron

Jeremy Szafron joins Kitco News as an anchor and producer from Kitco’s Vancouver bureau. 
Jeremy is a seasoned journalist with a diverse background covering entertainment, current affairs and finance.

Jeremy began his career in 2006 as a Journalist at CTV (Canada’s largest network), initially engaging audiences as an entertainment reporter before pivoting to business reporting focusing on mining and small-caps. His macro-financial and market trends analysis made him a sought-after commentator on CTV Morning Live and a regular on CTV News Network.

A notable milestone in Jeremy's career was his 2010 Vancouver Olympic Games coverage, highlighting the Olympic community and hosting segments from various Country Houses at the games.  Building on this experience, Jeremy developed an online video news program for PressReader, launching them into a new direction. PressReader is a digital newsstand with 8,000 newspaper and magazine editions in 60 languages from more than 120 countries.

In 2012, Jeremy ventured into his own digital media project, creating The Green Scene Podcast, swiftly gaining over 400,000 subscribers and establishing himself as a key voice in the emerging cannabis industry. Following this success, he launched Investor Scene and Initiate Research, news platforms providing exclusive market insights and deal-flow opportunities in mining and Canadian small-caps.

Jeremy has also worked as a market strategist and investor relations consultant with various publicly traded companies in the mining, energy, CPG, and tech industries.

A graduate of Concordia University with a BA in Journalism, Jeremy's academic background laid the foundation for his diverse and dynamic career. Now, as an Anchor at Kitco News, Jeremy will continue to inform a global audience of the latest developments and critical themes in finance and commodities.
 

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